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Old 06-24-03 | 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by Stoolie
My mom bought me a copy in London. Will it be different than the version released here?
The cover art is different, there are no chapter title illustrations in the UK version, the UK versions have narrower line spacing (which is why book 5 is nearly 900 pages in the US when it's only 766 in the UK), and some of the language is changed to make it more comprihensible to US readers. Despite the books getting longer and longer, the number of changes in the languages are becoming fewer and fewer as the series goes on, and (as I explained in my last post) there's very little changed in book 5.
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Originally posted by pantala
I won't be reading anything in this thread until tomorrow when I finish the book, but I had to make one comment. Why in Merlin's name would Scholastic change the line

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"We're not going to use magic?" Ron exclaimed loudly.
in the UK version to

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"We're not going to use magic?" Ron ejaculated loudly.
in the US version (chapter 12, page 242)?

I don't mean this in any (im)mature way, because I'm seriously confused about why Scholastic thought the second version is better than the first. I've noticed a few other minor word changes around the book which also seem quite unnecessary.

On the other hand, there are certainly some phrases which should have been changed. Who knows what "pulling a cracker" means? Someone care to explain it to me?
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Maybe he really did ejaculate when he said it? Who knows? It seems like a pretty serious gaffe, given the connotations of the word 'ejaculate' in general. My guess is they will correct it in the next printing. Normally if there are errors in the first printing of a book it's no problem fixing it in the next editions, but when your first printing is 8.5 million copies you have a problem, and I'm sure Scholastic is pulling their hair out somewhere about how that one got through.
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I really enjoyed phoenix but it is probably my least favorate of all the Harry Potter books which says how much i liked the the other books

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this book to me seemed to be stuffed with filler. The first 100 pages and the last 200 pages are all you really need to read but who would do that, i savored every page after 3 years.

1. Harry's characters reaction was probably a typical teenagers reaction but it carried on too long. Harry is above such behavior. the dursley's have made him above such behavior. he knows not to treat people badly. he knows suffering and magic world and previous adventures have made him used to people staring and hating him, everyone thought he was a killer in chamber of secrets and that still did not bother him so much. harry's teenage rebellion was over played, but i did like his reaction to sirius's death, other people have underrated sirius's importance to harry. sirius gave harry the firebolt and nimbus 2000, sirus risked his life to go to hogwarts to be with harry. sirius was one of his last connections with his parents, sirius was the only family harry really had. sirius had flaws and harry knew that but harry truly loved him. i could see sirius was the one a mile away, wanted to leave the house the role kreacher would play it was all there, no other charcter was set up for it. harry after the death is looking to blame anyone else but he knows or feels he is at fault. but harry would never have gone their if dumbldore had been honest with harry about the prophecy and what was in dept of mysteries.

WHY DIDN'T HE USE THE MIRROR TO CONTACT SIRIUS THAT IS WHY SIRIUS GAVE IT HIM, INSTEAD HE USED A MORE DANGEROUS AND UNSECURE AND UNRELIABLE METHOD OF CONTACTING SIRIUS

ron and hermione- what had happened to their romance, are they banging on the side and harry doen't know about it. the book did not advance their relationship at all, ron's goal keeping was funny and good, hermione was the brainiac in the classroom and battle and its planning as usual. but if they had done a little with the romance it would have gone a log way, but jk probably felt it was dangerous at this point because it would change the three heros friendship dynamic
i do not want to see harry end up with hermione that would be cheap and very stupid since the books have always hinted of ron and hermione

harry and cho chang- i thought this was done very well, cho's emotionalism was a little much though. harry having no clue what to do was funny and realistic. i always llok forward to cho because of the way harry's heart goes pitter pat for her. i was glad that we had the chance to get to know her a little. cederic death was a heavy weight on the relationship which i thought harry's interview might help to elvate but the we never really saw her again. but do the girls at hogwrts change paterners quick

ginny- was finally fleshed out and she seems to be a cool chick, like cho she plays quiditch but has less emotional baggage, who will harry end up with,
hermione, cho, ginny, or luna
well luna unlikely, hermione should be with ron, that leaves cho or ginny, cho has always been in harry's heart but i have a sneaking suspicion that ginny is the going to come on strong next year.

dumbledore's charcter was perfect
fred and george were fantastic, what a way to leave hogwarts
umbridge was too annoying, hated her
hagrid - i never liked his charcter so i was very glad he was not in the book too much. hagrid is just too dumb and annoying.
neville starting to show his stuff was a pleasant surprise could he be the one? doubt it
the final battle at the department ot mysteries was great
but the rest of the book except for the beginning ithe dementors and the trial was filler, i really only truly enjoyed the cho & harry romance, well i enjoyed it all greatly but i felt that was the only thing new which added to harry growing up

hopefully we won't have to wait three years for the next book

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Old 06-25-03 | 09:28 AM
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sabre... dump a [/spoiler] tag at the end of the paragraph.

As for me folks, I'm still on Chapter 6 in the first book... guess I gotta catch up...
Old 06-25-03 | 11:13 AM
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Careful!

Spoiler:
Bad Call Kal Jedi-- this is what spoilers are FOR!!!
Sirius doesn't die--for those of you who HAVEN'T FINISHED THE BOOK!!!!
The characture who finds his/her or it's demise which remains uncertain even to those of us who've finished--remains a mystery to the very end--enjoy and bring tissues!
Despite how passionate we all feel about the novel, its ending, charactures and plots we really shouldn't ruin it for our fellow readers. Careful people! *big smiles*

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Old 06-25-03 | 11:32 AM
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I've already had to edit two posts for spoilers and have split Kal Jedi's (misleading?) one off and moved it elsewhere entirely. I really don't think that any moderating presence should be necessary at all here.... please post carefully.... or else!


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Old 06-25-03 | 11:43 AM
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O...k....? sorry?
Old 06-25-03 | 11:50 AM
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I'm up to where they first get to the castle & Harry can see the horse things.
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Are you guys serious about this whole
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Sirius' death is a mystery thing? You guys really think he's not dead? I mean, I personally think that he IS. for one thing, JK herself had said that a major character would die in this book. If she's not the most reliable source of information on this, then I don't know who is.
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Re: Careful!

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Sirius doesn't die?? Did I miss something in the book?

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Old 06-25-03 | 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Kal Jedi
Are you guys serious about this whole
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Sirius' death is a mystery thing? You guys really think he's not dead? I mean, I personally think that he IS. for one thing, JK herself had said that a major character would die in this book. If she's not the most reliable source of information on this, then I don't know who is.
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Of course Sirius dies. They are merely trying to clean up the spoiler spill and give people who haven't finished a chance to find out about it themselves.

Well, most of the stuff that I thought of has already been mentioned here so I will just leave a few parting thoughts.

The death of Sirius Black: I believe that he was the perfect target. I definately thought that Kreacher was leaving the house and reporting to Voldemort. He is such and important character to Harry that his death will have an amazing impact on his life.

The prophecy: I am surprised that Harry is having any type of worries about killing Voldemort. I always thought that it was pretty clear that eventually Harry would have to actually kill Voldemort. Plus, didn't Harry watch Quirrel turn to dust in his hands? I am just saying that it shouldn't be a surprise to him that he would have to kill Voldemort, and I hardly thought that he would have any problems with it.

Ron and Hermione: I think JK hinted at it enough, and Hermione didn't jump on it because there is still a connection with Krum. I think the romance will hit hard in the next book.

Well, I guess that s it. Overall I enjoyed the book, but it has been so long since I read the others that I think I should start at 1 and reaad all the way through.



On a side note, I think I broke my all time fastest read with this book. 870 pages in just under 3 days... and the first day I only got to chapter 3. That was Saturday evening. I was finished Monday, well I guess Tuesday by about 3 am.

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I have a question:
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Ok, so in the flashback sequence with Snape, we see both of Harry's parents. His dad obviously performs magic, and we know his mom is at least a student at Hogwarts if nothing else. Later on, we learn more about this magical protection she gives Harry as a baby. Here's my question: Why is Harry called a mud-blood in this book, if both of his parents were wizards? We have both of them doing magic in the flashbacks. Was this even mentioned in previous books? It's been so long since I read the first 4, I can't remember if this question has already been covered.
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Originally posted by Tom Banjo
I have a question:
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Ok, so in the flashback sequence with Snape, we see both of Harry's parents. His dad obviously performs magic, and we know his mom is at least a student at Hogwarts if nothing else. Later on, we learn more about this magical protection she gives Harry as a baby. Here's my question: Why is Harry called a mud-blood in this book, if both of his parents were wizards? We have both of them doing magic in the flashbacks. Was this even mentioned in previous books? It's been so long since I read the first 4, I can't remember if this question has already been covered.

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One of Harry's grandparents must be muggle, remember Lily's sister Petunia is definitely muggle, so the Evans' bloodline at least isn't pure.
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Regarding Harry's anger issues, didn't anyone else get the impression that despite the normal teenage angst, that Harry's anger might be so extreme due to being infulenced by Voldemort? I felt that he was so quick to get angry because of his link with Voldemort. That the dark feelings and thoughts of Voldemort were causing a general feeling of anger in Harry that made it difficult if not impossible to empty his mind of emotions. Just a thought.
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I have a question:
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Ok, so in the flashback sequence with Snape, we see both of Harry's parents. His dad obviously performs magic, and we know his mom is at least a student at Hogwarts if nothing else. Later on, we learn more about this magical protection she gives Harry as a baby. Here's my question: Why is Harry called a mud-blood in this book, if both of his parents were wizards? We have both of them doing magic in the flashbacks. Was this even mentioned in previous books? It's been so long since I read the first 4, I can't remember if this question has already been covered.
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If I remember correctly, Snape called Lily a "mudblood" during that penseive sequence (as in, "I don't need help from a mudblood,") so her parentage includes some non-wizard blood. That will natuarlly pass to Harry....

Also, remember that Voldermort/Tom Riddle is also a mudblood, and there have been a few references (at least once in Phoenix) that this is another trait that Harry and Voldermort have in common.

Edited to add: Actually, I take that back...isn't mudblood supposed to mean that BOTH parents are muggles? If so, then Harry and Voldermort are half-bloods (which is how I think they were both actually referred to), and not mudbloods. Need to read the books again!

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Originally posted by Tom Banjo
I have a question:
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Ok, so in the flashback sequence with Snape, we see both of Harry's parents. His dad obviously performs magic, and we know his mom is at least a student at Hogwarts if nothing else. Later on, we learn more about this magical protection she gives Harry as a baby. Here's my question: Why is Harry called a mud-blood in this book, if both of his parents were wizards? We have both of them doing magic in the flashbacks. Was this even mentioned in previous books? It's been so long since I read the first 4, I can't remember if this question has already been covered.
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I don't think Harry was ever called a mudblood. I know he was called a half blood, which he is (and everyone technically is as Hagrid explains in the 2nd book, there has been much interbreeding with muggles or else wizards would have died out). A mudblood is a witch/wizard born of muggle parents; they have no wizard heritage (or at least not within a few generations). A halfblood is just someone who has muggle ancestry within a few generations. Hermione is a mudblood since her parents are both muggles. Harry is half blood since his mother was a mudblood and his father was (I'm pretty sure) a pureblood.
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Originally posted by Tom Banjo
I have a question:
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Why is Harry called a mud-blood in this book, if both of his parents were wizards? .
RE: Harry's heritage

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Lily Evans, Harry's mom, is from a Muggle family... she isn't from a wizarding family...so she doesn't have Wizard blood...she goes to Hogwarts because she has been chosen to go, but her sister does not have wizarding blood, she's a plain muggle...so you see, Harry is a Mud-blood, because his mothers side of the family is not a wizard family...just Lily was... kind of like Hermione. Someone like Draco Malfoy comes from a pureblood wizarding family... Ie. Lucius is a wizard, his father was a wizard, whose father was a wizard etc...same for Draco's mom.... hope this made sense.


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Originally posted by Philip Reuben
The cover art is different, there are no chapter title illustrations in the UK version, the UK versions have narrower line spacing (which is why book 5 is nearly 900 pages in the US when it's only 766 in the UK), and some of the language is changed to make it more comprihensible to US readers. Despite the books getting longer and longer, the number of changes in the languages are becoming fewer and fewer as the series goes on, and (as I explained in my last post) there's very little changed in book 5.
Thanks for the info. Note to self: read thread before asking question.
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From: Texas! Damn right.
Holy snoot! I ordered the U.K. adult version last Sunday, the 22nd, and it's here on my doorstep when I get home from work tonight. And yes, it's a first edition - weeeeeeee!!!

Amazon U.K. RAWKS!


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Old 06-27-03 | 11:03 AM
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That cover isn't bad! I still like all the American covers better than their UK counterparts. I really like the illustrations and the font used for the US versions, I think it adds a lot to the experience somehow. Another reason to be proud to be an American I spose. Except I still don't know wtf "taking the mickey" out of someone means
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Another reason to be proud to be an American I spose. Except I still don't know wtf "taking the mickey" out of someone means
</small>It means teasing or mocking i.e. it can be gentle or cruel.
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Thanks benedict! It seemed like there were more phrases/words I didn't understand in this book than in the others. I think I'd rather they leave in stuff like that instead of "Americanizing" it, but a glossery or something would be nice. I guess I could just get off my lazy ass and look it up, I'm sure theres a website with common UK phrases.
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I doubt this needs a spoiler tag. If I'm wrong, tag it.

A mudblood is only a wizard born of Muggle parents, who has NO wizarding blood in him whatsoever. Hermione is a mudblood because both her parents are Muggles and as far as they know they have never had a wizard or witch in the family. Harry is therefore not technically a mudblood, though we all know Bellatrix Lestrange is insane and as such she might shout it at Harry and not know a damn thing she is saying.

A half-blood is Harry and Voldemort. In Harry's case, he was born of a pureblood father (James Potter) and a mudblood mother (Lily Evans). In Voldemort's case, he was born of a Muggle father (Tom Riddle Sr.) and a pureblood witch (whose name we have not yet learned).

I hope this clears things up somewhat. Keep in mind that the whole pureblood/mudblood thing is meant as a reference to the old inbreeding European royal families, if you are interested in such things you can read all you want about them in history books. Fun historical topics include the passing of the gene for hemophilia through one major royal family and the inbreeding of another family until their children were all sterile.

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